NoviusInfernalBerserk's Blog
My dislike for trash talking ﹠ a few other thoughts. | Meine Abneigung gegen Trash-Talk und einige andere Gedanken.
German version of the text below. | Deutsche Version des Textes unten.
English:
I think I've already been mentioning this before but I was recently hit up with one of those messages and even someone, I communitcated with for a longer period of time, never got my hints, so I will make a post about it openly. There's one thing I dislike even more than purposeful ghosting and it's online trash talking. Especially if I state it multiple times and people don't stop, I will straight up block for that reason, no matter how long we've been communicating. Please do that with people who are participating in the according group but not with me just because I'm into rivalry. If it's happening in real life, I'm ok with it. If someone has some sort of borderline "split" I will tolerate it a few times as well but only if I know about it and the person talked about it beforehand, because I know what it is like and that this can just happen in this case. Another situation where it's okay is if it's been clearly communicated, that we are both okay with it but randomly throwing around words like "bi*ch" and "cu*t" as a greeting, will just make me think, that one has the mentality of a toxic teenager with an overly female brain and nothing else but negativity to offer, which is just unappealing to me and causes me to be completely uninterested in the person by default. I think that this is because I've been participating in a lot of trash talking when I was younger and never got a meeting out of it, so I now kinda associate it with people not having serious intentions. Not just that but also with being immature and especially words like "bi*ch" and "cu*t" with femininity. Since I'm into masculinity, as well as nice, polite behavior and ultimately here to bond to some extend, this just leads to a total lack of interest in the person for me. It is what it is and I can't really change it even if I wanted to. I have however realized a pattern of me not truly communicating straight, while just giving hints inbetween the lines, that could eventually not be recognized by some people, so I decided to share my thoughts on it openly, which gives everyone the chance understand my way of thinking. EDIT: I get that this text is a bit judgemental but it's not meant to talk down those, who do like to trash talk and engage in mutual, consensual conversations online. It's just meant to express my personal opinion when it comes to people, who insult people without their permission or any signs, that they are into online trash talk.
Ironically me expressing my lack of interest, while providing reasoning just led to the person becoming more toxic and insult me further, which made me even less interested in them than I already was. I've been thinking about this for a while, but I consider quitting actual competitive NHB fighting for good. Most people just don't have a similar personality as me and therefore don't truly care about the combination of rough fighting and bonding. Those who would eventually be interesting are usually too far to make anything work in the first place. NHB Fighting is also often connected to personalities with narcissistic and/or antisocial traits, which are something I have a hard time dealing with because of my own flaws. I'm of course not entirely sure of that yet, but it's already running through my mind, as I haven't been able to get a fight for years now. I understand that most people aren't into just training and want more from meetings but I really think non competitive training meetings might be the best option for me. I know that only being open to technical training meetings, would further decrease my chances of actually meeting someone but I believe, that this is something I should consider for the future. EDIT (Update on this matter): This part didn't age well. It's not completely possible to give it up for me, since it's deeply ingrained in my personality. However, I will be even more cautious, who I'm considering it with and what's the exact reason. As I said before, I'll only consider it if there's a somewhat regular contact and an actual connection, that goes beyond just fighting. I also want a friendship or at least somewhat friendly rivalry and a lot of trust, as well as mutual interest and physical attraction in order to consider it. I won't be meeting for random, purely antisocial street fights with people, who don't seem to know anything about themselves or don't have actual interest in me as a person. I do still have some impulsive, psychotic phases, where I dissociate and just randomly challenge people for brawls and would most likely actually do them without even thinking but mistakes happen and my control gets better and better. This phases most likely wouldn't sustain long enough for actual meetings via social media. In general it should always be more about connecting long term and consistently through a mutual interest and watching fights or practicing to get better at street fighting together, rather than actually hurting each other. Although I may in general still consider doing a No Holds Barred Fight with the right person and for the right reason. Personally I see specifically meetfighters as mostly bi/gay activity instead of pure sports and as everyone else, I'm just here for a good time, even if the good time is a rough fight, so especially when it comes to actual fighting, I won't do it with people I'm not really interested in as a person or find it hard to communicate with. If I wouldn't care about connection and communication, I'd just do combat sports, politely ask people for fights on normal social media or just go to some hooligan fight club. Of course I'm still open to purely sportive, technical and non competitive training sessions though. That's something different.
Small health update: Even after taking antibiotics, I'm currently still not fully recovered. Unfortunately I missed the chance to have a meeting because of it. I hope to recover to some extend within the next 2-4 weeks but I can't really tell the exact time, cause I might have to revisit the doctor, if it doesn't get better. EDIT (Further Update): The issues seem to be connected to hypothyroidism. I didn't get a diagnosis for now, because it takes a really long time to get an appointment but I unfortunately think, that it is pretty safe to say, that there's some disease going on. There's however no prove for that yet, which is why my doctor allowed me to do sports starting wednesday next week. I will only do really light activity until I fully know what it is and am medicated appropriately or know that I don't need to be medicated. I personally suspect thyroiditis, but I'm of course not a doctor. Really hope it's not another autoimmune disease.
Deutsch/German:
Ich glaube, ich habe das schon einmal erwähnt, aber ich wurde kürzlich mit einer solchen Nachricht konfrontiert und selbst jemand, mit dem ich längere Zeit kommuniziert habe, hat meine Andeutungen nie verstanden, also werde ich das offen in einem Beitrag thematisieren. Es gibt eine Sache, die ich noch weniger mag als absichtliches Ghosting, und das ist Online- Trash Talking. Insbesondere, wenn ich es mehrfach äußere und die Leute nicht aufhören, werde ich aus diesem Grund einfach blockieren, egal wie lange wir kommuniziert haben. Bitte macht das mit Leuten, die sich an der entsprechenden Gruppe beteiligen, aber nicht mit mir, nur weil ich auf Rivalität stehe. Wenn das im realen Leben passiert, ist es ok. Falls jemand eine Art von Borderline "Split" hat, werde ich es ebenfalls ein paar Mal tolerieren, aber nur wenn ich darüber Bescheid weiß und die Person vorher darüber gesprochen hat, weil ich weiß, wie es ist und dass das in diesem Fall einfach passieren kann. Eine andere Situation, in der es in Ordnung ist, ist natürlich, wenn klar kommuniziert wurde, dass es für beide ok ist, aber zufällig Wörter wie "Bi*ch" und "Schl*mpe" als Begrüßung zu verwenden, lässt mich nur denken, dass jemand die Mentalität eines toxischen Teenagers mit einem übermäßig weiblichen Gehirn besitzt und nichts anderes als Negativität anzubieten hat, was mir einfach unattraktiv erscheint und dazu führt, dass ich standardmäßig komplett desinteressiert an der Person bin. Ich denke, dass das daran liegt, dass ich in meiner Jugend viel Trash Talking mitgemacht habe und niemals ein Treffen daraus entstand, sodass ich es jetzt irgendwie mit Menschen assoziiere, die keine ernsten Absichten haben. Nicht nur das, sondern auch mit Unreife und insbesondere mit Worten wie "Bi*ch" und "Schl*mpe" mit Weiblichkeit. Da ich auf Männlichkeit stehe, sowie auf nettes, höfliches Verhalten und letztendlich hier bin, um in gewisser Weise eine Verbindung aufzubauen, führt das bei mir zu einem völligen Desinteresse an der Person. Es ist, wie es ist, und ich kann es nicht wirklich ändern, selbst wenn ich wollte. Ich habe jedoch ein Muster erkannt, dass ich nicht wirklich direkt kommuniziere, während ich nur Hinweise zwischen den Zeilen gebe, die möglicherweise von manchen Menschen nicht erkannt werden, also habe ich beschlossen, meine Gedanken dazu offen zu teilen, was jedem die Chance gibt, meine Denkweise zu verstehen. EDIT: Ich verstehe, dass dieser Text etwas wertend ist, aber er ist nicht dazu gedacht, diejenigen herabzusetzen, die gerne trash talken und an gegenseitigen, einvernehmlichen Gesprächen online teilnehmen. Er soll lediglich meine persönliche Meinung ausdrücken, wenn es um Menschen geht, die andere ohne deren Zustimmung oder Zeichen, dass sie auf Online-Trash-Talk stehen, beleidigen.
Ironischerweise hat mein Ausdruck des Desinteresses, während ich Gründe angab, nur dazu geführt, dass die Person toxischer wurde und mich weiter beleidigte, was nur zu noch weniger Interesse an ihr geführt hat. Ich habe schon eine Weile darüber nachgedacht, aber ich ziehe in Betracht, den Wunsch kompetitive NHB Kämpfe zu finden für immer aufzugeben. Die meisten Menschen haben einfach keine ähnliche Persönlichkeit wie ich und kümmern sich daher nicht wirklich um die Kombination aus hartem Kämpfen und Verbindung. Diejenigen, die eventuell für mich interessant wären, sind meistens zu weit weg, um überhaupt ein Treffen mit mir in Erwägung zu ziehen. Abgesehen davon sind härtere NHB Kämpfe auch oft mit Persönlichkeiten verbunden, die viele narzisstische und/oder antisoziale Eigenschaften haben, mit denen ich aufgrund meiner eigenen Probleme schlecht umgehen kann. Ich bin mir noch nicht ganz sicher, aber es geht mir schon länger durch den Kopf, da ich es seit Jahren nicht mehr geschafft habe, ein derartiges Treffen zu finden. Ich verstehe, dass die meisten Menschen nicht nur am Training interessiert sind und mehr von Meetings erwarten, aber ich denke wirklich, dass nicht wettbewerbsorientierte Trainingsmeetings die beste Option für mich sind. Ich weiß, dass ich, wenn ich nur für technische Trainingsmeetings offen bin, meine Chancen, tatsächlich jemanden zu treffen, weiter verringern würde, aber ich glaube, dass dies etwas ist, das ich für die Zukunft in Betracht ziehen sollte. EDIT (Aktualisierung zu diesem Thema): Dieser Teil ist nicht gut gealtert. Es ist mir nicht ganz möglich, darauf zu verzichten, da es tief in meiner Persönlichkeit verankert ist. Ich werde jedoch noch vorsichtiger sein, mit wem ich es in Betracht ziehe und aus welchem Grund genau. Wie ich schon zuvor sagte, werde ich es nur in Erwägung ziehen, wenn es einen einigermaßen regelmäßigen Kontakt und eine tatsächliche Verbindung gibt, die über das Kämpfen hinausgeht. Ich möchte auch eine Freundschaft oder zumindest eine etwas freundschaftliche Rivalität und viel Vertrauen, sowie gegenseitiges Interesse und körperliche Anziehung, um es in Betracht zu ziehen. Ich werde mich nicht für zufällige, rein antisoziale Straßenkämpfe mit Leuten treffen, die scheinbar nichts über sich selbst wissen oder kein tatsächliches Interesse an mir als Person haben. Ich habe immer noch einige impulsive, psychotische Phasen, in denen ich dissoziiere und einfach Menschen willkürlich zu Kämpfen herausfordere und sie wahrscheinlich tatsächlich durchführen würde, ohne darüber nachzudenken. Aber Fehler passieren und meine Kontrolle wird immer besser. Diese Phasen würden wahrscheinlich nicht lange genug dauern, um tatsächliche Treffen über soziale Medien zu ermöglichen. Im Allgemeinen sollte es immer mehr darum gehen, sich langfristig und konsequent durch ein gemeinsames Interesse zu verbinden und zusammen Kämpfe anzuschauen oder gemeinsam zu üben, um im Straßenkampf besser zu werden, als sich tatsächlich gegenseitig zu verletzen. Obwohl ich allgemein immer noch in Betracht ziehen würde, einen Kampf ohne Regeln mit der richtigen Person und aus dem richtigen Grund zu machen. Persönlich sehe ich speziell Meetfighters eher als hauptsächlich bi/schwule Aktivität an, statt als reinen Sport, und wie jeder andere bin ich einfach hier, um eine gute Zeit zu haben, selbst wenn die gute Zeit ein harter Kampf ist. Wenn es also um tatsächliche Kämpfe geht, werde ich mich nicht mit Leuten treffen, die mich persönlich nicht wirklich interessieren oder mit denen ich Schwierigkeiten habe zu kommunizieren. Wenn es mir nicht um Verbindung und Kommunikation gehen würde, würde ich einfach Kampfsport machen, höflich um Kämpfe auf normalen sozialen Medien bitten oder einfach zu einem Hooligan-Kampfclub gehen. Natürlich bin ich jedoch auch immer noch offen für rein sportliche, technische und nicht wettbewerbsorientierte Trainingseinheiten. Das ist etwas anderes.
Kleine Gesundheitsaktualisierung: Auch nach der Einnahme von Antibiotika bin ich derzeit noch nicht vollständig gesund. Leider habe ich die Gelegenheit verpasst, ein Treffen zu haben, weil ich krank war. Ich hoffe, in den nächsten 2-4 Wochen gesund zu werden, aber ich kann die genaue Zeit nicht wirklich sagen, da ich eventuell wieder zum Arzt muss, falls es nicht besser wird. EDIT (Weitere Aktualisierung): Die Probleme scheinen mit Hypothyreose verbunden zu sein. Ich habe jetzt noch keine Diagnose erhalten, da es wirklich lange dauert, einen Termin zu bekommen, aber ich denke leider, dass es ziemlich sicher ist zu sagen, dass eine Erkrankung vorliegt. Es gibt jedoch noch keinen Beweis dafür, weshalb mir mein Arzt erlaubt hat, ab Mittwoch nächster Woche Sport zu machen. Ich werde nur wirklich leichte Aktivitäten machen, bis ich vollständig weiß, was es ist und entsprechend medikamentös behandelt werde oder bis ich weiß, dass ich keine Medikamente benötige. Ich persönlich vermute eine Thyreoiditis, aber ich bin natürlich kein Arzt. Hoffe wirklich, dass es sich um keine weitere Autoimmunerkrankung handelt.
KOFistBoxer (2)
9/10/2025 5:50 PMYeah I am with you on this one for a few reasons. The biggest one is that I have a pretty fair amount of formal training, including under some people who have a moderate amount of name recognition in their sports at pro, semi-pro or olympic level. People who really are skilled and dangerous and none of them behave like that. They are usually pretty friendly and respectful people who generally are not going to start trouble with someone who doesn't start with them first. Never seen one start jawing at strangers just to project an image.
In my experience the people who talk the most trash and chest thump the most on here are overwhelming the keyboard warrior, beer muscles poser types who do so from thousands of miles away because they know they will never have to back it up. A large percentage of the time they are also in the middle of nowhere with that obnoxious "everyone has to come to me, I refuse to go to anyone else" attitude. They all act like the most amazing fighter in history that never did anything with it and no one has ever heard of and expect you to jump through all the hoops to make it happen.
So if they start with a highly unlikely premise (someone hopping on a plane to fly internationally to some place they have no other reason to go to simply to make it convenient for the chest thumper), they can pretend they are throwing out all these challenges and everyone else is "too scared" to meet then because they won't do something the chest thumper themselves refuses to even consider, because of the same few lame excuses... work, money, etc. (Not saying these aren't valid concerns, but for someone throwing out challenges left and right, they could be the one who saves up money, takes time off, and goes through all the hassles of travel that they expect everyone else to).
If people are just roleplaying because they both get off on it, that's their business, but I am talking about the ones who expect to be taken seriously. The reality is the legit badasses out there don't need to overcompensate and put on an act, that's almost exclusively the domain of the posers and if they were that amazing they would be heading up legit pro (I mean real combat sports like mma, not "pro" wrestling) promotions, not talking shit on a website from the middle of a cornfield or something.
NoviusInfernalBerserk (4)
9/10/2025 11:03 PM(In reply to this)
Yes I fully agree. I had no problem doing it when I was younger, didn't have any knowledge when it comes to psychology and never had an actual sparring at a gym because I had delusions of grandeur and didn't understand my limits at all. It's not that those delusions completely vanished. They are still there but I'm at least aware of them to some extend.
I also can't take anyone seriously, who says he can beat me with no experience, no size advantage, no visible strength training or fitness training and nothing else, that could objectively be an advantage. It will just make me think they are either delusional, masochistic or not serious and it will make me lose interest.
Ironically I also don't move and I ask a lot of people if they'd consider traveling or if there is a chance, that they get to austria cause I have nothing to lose by asking but I also try to stay as friendly, polite, honest and authentic as possible. If they say "no", I will just take notes in their profile and try to not bother them again, while being thankful for receiving a honest answer. Of course there might be incidents where I forget it but overall I try to be respectful towards peoples time and I think all of this is important to make a serious meeting possible. Especially if it's a long distance meeting. Because let's be honest: People need to feel somehwhat safe and have trust in order to actually travel. If there's any potential for dislike or no respect/connection, there is always a chance, that someone will not honor a meeting. At least in my experience.
So yeah trash talking from high distance and especially without actual plans ruins everything for me, since I see it as unrealistic fake behavior and think it's unrealistic for me to maintain interest in that kind of person because of my past experience and opinion. For me it's mostly that I just didn't manage to build up any trust yet. After all those years, I really need a meeting first. If one is already next to me and it's happening before a fight, while it's meant seriously, then I obviously have no issue with it at all. I'm also into rivalry and stuff. Just not online or as a roleplay.
And yeah of course, if other people can make meetings work while trash talking or if it's just a role play to them, that's all ok and amazing. I'm not saying this as a general thing or that everyone is the same. It's just not for me cause of my past experience.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, mate.
KOFistBoxer (2)
9/11/2025 6:59 PM(In reply to this)
Yes there are plenty of people who trash talk who don't look like they have ever seen the inside of a gym, let alone have some extensive level of training that would allow them to hang with someone who does. Aside from the long distance issue, I get ones who are half a foot shorter and 50-70 pounds lighter (sorry I do not know kg off the top of my head) or are advanced age senior citizens who look frail enough a strong breeze could knock them over talking trash at me. I understand... to a certain degree... looks alone can't tell you what someone know, but when you have a ton of experience with a lot of different fighters telling one who has no experience (no matter how tough they talk) gets fairly easy.
I think in most cases they are trying to wind themselves up knowing they will never have to back it up or they are so off the chart naive and unknowledgeable they honestly believe that feeling, emotion and desire will give them the advantage as if conditioning and techniques are not required at all.
As for the travel aspect I look at the big picture. There is a difference between asking if someone gets to your area who is semi-nearby or demonstrates a patten of traveling to areas like yours if they might end up there and just telling someone on the other side of the world to do something you wouldn't consider yourself. If someone from a nearby US state who is couple hour drive asks that seems reasonable and possible to me. If someone lives in a sparely populated country that gets little tourism is asking someone on the others side of the world (who doesn't appear to travel internationally at all if they do, that seems like a ridiculous long shot not even worth bringing up.
I just think people need to have a realistic idea of their own level and desirableness in terms of their skill, ability or even attractiveness (if it's in a fetish context), and what is possible and realistic in terms of the other person's abilities and interests... and not just base everything off what they "wish" would happen in a fantasy dream world.
NoviusInfernalBerserk (4)
9/24/2025 3:51 PM(In reply to this)
Sorry for my late reply. I somehow wasn't notified, but I just saw it while editing/updating my statements.
Yes you are right. There are a few possibilities why they do it I could think of:
1.) They just wanna trash talk/cyber and have zero intentions to actually meet you.
2.) They haven't fought a single fight and are completely misunderstanding their capabilities and/or the potential risks. As you said, those mostly think desire solves everything.
3.) They are masochists or risk lovers and want to provoke you into fights, so they get what they want. To be fair, sadists would do the same, but they'd be more likely to try to manipulate someone weaker into feeling like they are stronger than they actually are.
4.) They have (pseudo) psychotic delusions caused by personality disorders or other mental illnesses and actually think they would win or do not understand the risks properly.
I can honestly tell you, that I've experienced 2.), the risk loving/sadistic version of 3.) and 4.) when I was younger and am often still fighting those things till this day but I'm at least trying my best not to act cocky or insult others because of it. None of this is in any way positive and we are all kinda affected to some extend but when someone is completely unaware and doesn't have any realistic perception due to lack of experience and knowledge, it can become very problematic from an ethical point of view. This is why I personally need to communicate regularly and properly in order to know if I wanna fight someone. I couldn't realistically tell from just a short message exchange unless it's very clear they have experience from their profile and share enough info about their personality. I have too much experience with it to not overthink those things and consider people, who are clearly weaker and act like they are better to be dishonest, inexperienced, masochistic or delusional.
Okay I see. My opinion differs a bit here. I mainly think being polite, transparent and communicative is the most important thing. Like being fully egocentric or asking someone, who may not be interested is both completely ok from my point of view. I really think there's nothing wrong with politely asking if they do consider traveling for a fight in general. However, being demanding or telling others to just come, while also completely ignoring that they have written, that they won't travel or how far they would travel in their profile text wouldn't be polite or respectful at all. So that's something I try to avoid. Still I think even if that happens, it's not a bit deal. I would just answer, that i don't travel in this case. It's really more the demanding attitude in combination with trash talking, which I consider to be annoying and might actually block. I also don't like any ghosting or not writing an answer at all on purpose when someone wrote a polite message but I understand other people have different perceptions or might just care less about that.
NHBFighter (14)
9/09/2025 3:30 PMNothing like some trash talking to get the juices going. But not if someone is going to be offended by it.
NoviusInfernalBerserk (4)
9/09/2025 10:15 PM(In reply to this)
It wasn't about being offended. I know when people are just teasing me. I just find it unattractive when grown men call each other "bitch". it doesn't fit my personal perception of masculinity but if two people like that and it's consesual, there's of course nothing wrong with that. :) Personally I think trash talking is ok in real life at a competitive meeting but when it's happening online, it's mostly just annoying to me.
Megawatt (8)
9/05/2025 7:41 PMThank you for your thoughts. I personally like trash talking, but I am very careful not to "cross a line". I do NOT call my potential opponents any of the names that you mention (or any other names for that matter). Mostly, it's "who has the bigger muscles" or "who's going to submit first" - - kid stuff. In addition, I always check-in with my opponent during the trash talking to make sure I have not inadvertantly crossed a line and to make sure it's all for fun. There are some very clever, trash-talking guys on the site and I enjoy the back-and-forth banter. I totally agree with you in setting boundaries and all boundaries should be respected. So if a potential opponent does not like trash talking, then I respect that and focus on the wrestling only.
NoviusInfernalBerserk (4)
9/05/2025 8:23 PM(In reply to this)
That's perfectly fine. I didn't mean to blame others for consensually trash talking their chatpartners. My blog here just serves as extended profile info, while also offering some updates regarding my current situation and thoughts. If someone is in the specific trash talking group here or mentions it in his profile as a like, there's in general of course nothing wrong with starting a conversation like that. For me personally this doesn't work online anymore nowadays. I need friendly, respectful conversations with people who seem trustworthy, which is why I thought I'll mention it directly to hopefully avoid further misunderstandings. it also serves as some kind of explanation if others do it, so they at least had the chance to understand, why I eventually refuse to meet them or chat with them afterwards. Mentioning the specific slurs just serves as an example why I personally find it offputting. It's what recently happened to me and how I think about it but it's of course just my personal point of view. I understand, that my way of thinking may eventually be judgemental but that's something I can't really change and it definitely wasn't meant to be some kind of lecture for others. To each their own. Thanks a lot for sharing your input! It's always great to read about the opinions of others. :)